13 August 2013

12th August 2013 - New starter motor in....Trigger tried to torch himself!

STARTER MOTOR

Over the weekend I managed to fit the new Britpart starter motor...which wasn't straight-forward.

The old one was always a PITA to get in and out between the chassis rail and engine block. It would only 'just' go through, and even then only if you fitted it exactly the right way round. A bit like playing Jenga! The new one wouldn't fit through the access though.

Checking one against the other I found the new ones flange was very slightly bigger on two of the radii plus also had an additional unnecessary lump. I had to remove said lump and reduce each radius by 3mm. then it would go in. Still a PITA though. I probably wasted 2 hours struggling before I realised the motor assembly wasn't 'exactly' the same.

A good comment from someone on the S2 forum was to remove the LHS/nearside (if you drive on the correct side of the road) wing support bolted to the chassis rail/wing. This makes a perfect port to put the starter through. Saves all my swearing?

With the new motor installed it really starts a whole lot easier then the original ever did. Blip the button and Trig's Tdi fires every time...even without the glowplugs.

Did a 10 mile round trip dump run without any issue. Running sweet.


OH....DEAR..........

Monday morning SWMBO gave me the task of collecting a wendy house for our daughter on my way home. So Trig's had a job for the day. Both tanks were full so a 80 mile round trip including the office would not be a problem.

10 minutes into the trip as I joined the dual carriageway the engine cut out and the dash lights went dead. Luckily this happened as I reached a layby otherwise I would have been blocking lane 1 of the A303! As I stopped smoke started to waft from under the bonnet in the area of the starter motor.

I grabbed the fire extinguisher and carefully lifted the bonnet. Yep, definitely smoke ;) I jumped back in the cab and isolated the battery (useful to have a switch?).

As the smoke cleared I could see the reason for the engine cut-out and the smoke. The main supply cable to the truck electrics and jumped out of position and had welded itself to the exhaust manifold!

I decided at this point that maybe todays long trip wasn't really a go'er. I bent the now exposed cable away from the manifold into free air and tried the starter. Started fine. I just hope the dual batteries haven't been damaged by the huge current flow?

Drove back without issue (5 miles) and dropped the LR off at home. I isolated the battery and took another car from the fleet to make the office run.

Last night I stripped out the offending wiring. The 25mm cable from the starter to the starter button (supplies all the truck +12v bar the starter motor - melted and was the source of the smoke); Battery ground connection 16mm? - this has also melted; battery isolation switch - FUBAR'd.

Here's the state of the 25mm supply to the starter!


What this does show is that :-

1. You should tie the cables down firmly to avoid this (they have been fine for +2 years....but)
2. It pays big dividens to have a battery iso switch!

The 25mm cable from the battery to the starter survived so that can be reused and I have ordered the same CSA to replace the damaged cables. This and a new batt isolator came to <£20. It could have been A LOT more expensive?!

05 August 2013

3rd August - Starter motor gone for a burden!

Saturday I had planned to do yet another dump run but my prodding with the starter button only caused the starter to spin and wirr with no cranking over from the engine.

About 12 months ago I previously replaced the solenoid assembly on the starter but this seemed like something else?

Starter was stripped out and stuck in a car battery with a pair of 16mm jump leads. Solenoid/coil throws the starter gear forward but the starter wasn't spinning. I put that down to me dropping the cable too soon as they were so damn hot! ;)

Anyway it seemed good so I lubed up the starter gear assy with coppaslip and refitted it. Same problem.

The remaining main part of the Valeo starter had originally come with the engine donating Disco. This had 99k miles on the clock. The starter is stamped 1991 so I guess it has had a good innings. Probably the internal clutch has failed? A new one (Britpart offering as 'apparently' they are OK - cheers Lynall) is now on order and should be here the middle of this week.

Thinking back the starter has been showing some intermittant issues for a while. The odd buzz which then required a second press of the starter button to kick it over.

Let's see how the new one fairs?